According to my information, Lars wrote the first version of the lpmud driver in april 1989, and the first public version was available in the summer of 1989. Does anyone have a more accurate date? At any rate, give or take a month, happy 20th birthday :) Bart. -- Created with Open WebMail at http://www.bartsplace.net/ Read my weblog at http://soapbox.bartsplace.net/