[DGD] DGD 1.6.2 and Hydra 1.3.9
nikoroleva .
natasha.i.koroleva at gmail.com
Tue Jan 23 02:11:26 CET 2018
On 22 January 2018 at 02:29, Felix A. Croes <felix at dworkin.nl> wrote:
> "nikoroleva ." <natasha.i.koroleva at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to convert these vectors' units:
>>
>> R = { 0.857033096, -0.493251623, -0.213830204 } (astronomical units)
>> V = { 0.00886739864, 0.0133184022, 0.0057727916 } (astronomical units per day)
>>
>> Basic code for conversion:
>>
>> float au_to_km(float au)
>> {
>> return au * 1.49597870691e+8;
>> }
>>
>> float aupd_to_kms(float au_per_day)
>> {
>> return au_per_day * 1731.45684;
>> }
>>
>> f1 = R_x = 0.857033096
>> f2 = R_y = -0.493251623
>> f3 = R_z = -0.213830204
>>
>> f4 = V_x = 0.00886739864
>> f5 = V_y = 0.0133184022
>> f6 = V_z = 0.0057727916
>>
>> The results are below. Using floats in DGD or a C program yield same results.
>> But it seems that I would prefer to have doubles instead; gets closer
>> to the Matlab/Octave results.
>
> This is quite interesting, but it's not the whole story. Take a look at
> the generated file /include/float.h and you'll see that DGD floats have
> more precision than ordinary floats:
>
> # define FLT_DIG 11
> # define FLT_MANT_DIG 37
> # define FLT_MAX_EXP 1024
> # define FLT_MAX_10_EXP 308
>
> DGD floats have 37 bits of precision. That is more than IEEE floats,
> which only have 24 bits of precision. IEEE doubles have 53 bits of
> precision.
>
> As a matter of fact, the DGD host float implementation is backed by C
> doubles. I just chose to display fewer digits of precision when a
> floating point number is converted to a string than are actually
> available.
>
> DGD floats always have the same precision, no matter if they are backed
> by simulated floats or host floats (actually doubles). They also have
> the same representation in snapshots. And the host float backing doesn't
> really require IEEE doubles, it just requires a floating point type
> that is as least as precise as DGD's type.
>
> Perhaps you are going to argue that anything less than double precision
> is not enough. But then, are doubles really precise enough? I have a
> working implementation of simulated floating point numbers with 81 bits
> of precision for Hydra. Much more precise than the 53 bits in doubles,
> wouldn't you agree? Better even than Intel's extended floating point
> format, which only has 64 bits of precision. If you really want to
> perform astronomical computations, doubles are not good enough.
>
> I do think that for serious mathematical computations, DGD's floats are
> not precise enough, as well as not fast enough. That is why I recommend
> that such computations only be done in LPC in a first version, later to
> be replaced by an extension module which performs the same operations in
> optimized vectorized floating point code.
>
> Regards,
> Felix Croes
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I reckon something like MPFR lib should be suitable for handling very
large numbers.
In any case, what I gather from this is that the results of any
computation done in the kfun should be returned as a string.
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